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Re: Update 57 on the KS "Is this a Dream...."
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2013, 11:53:24 PM »
Although a little out of my budget, that does sound insane. I have to say I look forward when GenCon rolls around next year and we've had the game for 5 months or so (Hopefully) and we can have SALUGHTERFIELD! tournaments and other such things.

I read that as SALUTERFIELD! I shall avoid any drawn out explanations on what that was in my head. It was indeed far far away from SLAUGTHERFIELD!!
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Re: Update 57 on the KS "Is this a Dream...."
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2013, 12:20:24 AM »
Actually, when you get Double Captain, you only need one box, both the stretch goals, and one extra set of 6 Arachnids to hit the sweet spots. Then you can sell the extra box.
Won't you then be out the extra hero deck needed for 2 of the same hero in one game?
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Re: Update 57 on the KS "Is this a Dream...."
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2013, 12:23:56 AM »
Actually, when you get Double Captain, you only need one box, both the stretch goals, and one extra set of 6 Arachnids to hit the sweet spots. Then you can sell the extra box.
Won't you then be out the extra hero deck needed for 2 of the same hero in one game?
Depends on if you are inclined to that line of thinking. If you don't want that as an option nope...if so...yep keep that box. Kinda like the people wanting an extra set of the core box tiles for things....all depends on what you want to run dual lairs..dual heroes...something crazier or wilder than that
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Re: Update 57 on the KS "Is this a Dream...."
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2013, 04:01:58 AM »
Double Captain you have to open both boxes.

is this confirmed? i had assumed that the base game would ship in it's own box, with the extras separate.

Yes, the extra are separate. We were talking about number of miniature extra with apprentice vs using a second capitan and open it for more miniatures to run double lairs.


Actually, when you get Double Captain, you only need one box, both the stretch goals, and one extra set of 6 Arachnids to hit the sweet spots. Then you can sell the extra box.

Minion per lairs:
Arachnid  (x1)15+2; (x2)30+4
Skeleton  (x1)10+2; (x2)20+4
Orc  (x1)12+2; (x2)24+4
Elemental  (x1)6+4; (x2)12+4
Rats  (x1)20+4; (x2)20+4
Cyclops  (x1)10+2; (x2)20+4 [not confirmed, could be less]

Core + Rewards
Arachnid  21+4
Skeleton  22+4 [Double Lair]
Orc  21+4
Elemental  16+4 [Double Lair]
Rats  16+4
Cyclops  10+2

Double Captain [2nd Box Unopened]
Arachnid  27+6
Skeleton  44+8 [Triple Lair]
Orc  27+6 [Double Lair]
Elemental  32+8 [Triple Lair]
Rats  32+8 [Triple Lair]
Cyclops  20+4 [Double Lair]

Apprentice+Captain [2nd Box Unopened]
Arachnid  37+7 [Double Lair]
Skeleton  54+9 [Triple Lair]
Orc  37+7 [Triple Lair]
Elemental  42+9 [Triple Lair]
Rats  42+9 [Triple Lair]
Cyclops  30+5 [Double Lair]

I know it might sound silly, but sometimes you are short of just few mini to run double lairs, but I think it will still be doable anyways.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2013, 04:26:19 AM by DoberFrann »
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Re: Update 57 on the KS "Is this a Dream...."
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2013, 07:39:42 AM »
@DoberFrann

Ah, apologies. I didn't specify, but it looks like my count was off anyway. I'd meant in the sense that since the extras shipped external to the base game, you'd be able to get away with only opening the one box and using the extras - but as your tallies show, you end up a few spiders short. Thanks for totaling them up!

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Re: Update 57 on the KS "Is this a Dream...."
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2013, 10:22:46 AM »
Quote from: BShotton

Now, I am going to make some assumptions here, that you'll have to make with me. First, the Heroes are actively trying to kill. Second, the Heroes will succeed more than fail.

If we can agree on these assumptions, here is the breakdown:

Arachnids 1 Lair = 15 Minions + 2 Captains, 2 Lairs = 30 Minions + 4 Captains
Orcs 1 Lair = 12 Minions + 2 Captain, 2 Lairs = 24 Minion + 4 Captains
Skeletons 1 Lair = 10 Minions + 2 Captain, 2 Lairs = 20 Minions + 4 Captains
Elementals 1 Lair = 6 Minions + 2 Captain, 12 Minions + 4 Captains
Rats 1 Lair = 10 Minions + 2 Captain, 2 Lairs = 20 Minions + 4 Captains

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[Double Lair] = 30 Arachnids
Double Captain (Box Unopened)(27) + Arachnid Minion Set (6) = 33 Arachnids

Double Captain (Box Unopened) + Arachnid Minion Set > [Double Lair]
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Re: Update 57 on the KS "Is this a Dream...."
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2013, 10:24:18 AM »
Minion per lairs:
Arachnid  (x1)15+2; (x2)30+4
Skeleton  (x1)10+2; (x2)20+4
Orc  (x1)12+2; (x2)24+4
Elemental  (x1)6+4; (x2)12+4
Rats  (x1)20+4; (x2)20+4
Cyclops  (x1)10+2; (x2)20+4 [not confirmed, could be less]

It is currently theorized that Cyclops numbers will probably actually be similar to Elemental numbers. We don't have a confirmation of this, but it is theorized because the Elementals and Cyclops are enemies. So, logic standing they're probably of similar power level, minion wise.
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Re: Update 57 on the KS "Is this a Dream...."
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2013, 05:41:05 PM »
Just to be devil's advocate here:

Archer (one box unopened)
Arachnid  62+12 [QUADRUPLE Lair]
Skeleton  64+12 [HeXtUpLE Lair]
Orc  62+12 [QUINTUPLE Lair]
Elemental  52+12 [HeXtUpLE Lair]
Rats  52+12 [QUINTUPLE Lair]
Cyclops  40+8 [QUADRUPLE Lair]

so, let's compare to Captain+Apprentice ($350) and Archer, selling one box at $50 ($550)
For $200 extra, you get:
-The Painted KS-exclusive Razorfiend in metal $40-$100 (depending on level, probably $50-60 based on inquiries I've made with blue table)
-unpainted metal figures $240 (I'm assuming $10 each here, because there's no way they could make money at 12 metal captains for $40)
-Quest deck $15
-Lithograph $15
-Tile Supplement $25
-T-shirts 6x$25   $150   (This is objective, I'm sure they won't resell for $25)   
2x more lair builds for everything - $150 (cheapest you could duplicate this via pledging is apprentice)
so, $200 for $600+ in retail value. In practical terms it's around $300 less I'll have to spend in add-ons (assuming they aren't cutting us a CRAZY deal on the metal pieces).

If you're patient, think people are going to be wanting to buy extras, have the cash, then this is definitely the way to go IMO.
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Re: Update 57 on the KS "Is this a Dream...."
« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2013, 08:00:32 AM »
I am not sure how Heroes will fair against 6 lairs. Arachnids spawns 2+2 minions. That would be 24 minion per refresh. If Heroes could kill them all in one refresh that would be a.... SLAUGHTERFIELD!
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Re: Update 57 on the KS "Is this a Dream...."
« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2013, 08:17:50 AM »
I am not sure how Heroes will fair against 6 lairs. Arachnids spawns 2+2 minions. That would be 24 minion per refresh. If Heroes could kill them all in one refresh that would be a.... SLAUGHTERFIELD!

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